Author Topic: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice  (Read 13253 times)

SGT (Ret) Baldwin

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2017, 03:45:47 PM »
I've been playing around with the M150 (Army RCO) and PVQ31A's (USMC RCO) myself using the M4, M4A1, and M16A4 in Arsenal. Here's what I've noticed, regardless of ammo types:

1. Both the M150 and PVQ-31A's perform exactly the same at various ranges.
2. Both the M150 and PVQ-31A BDC/Stadia lines are spot-on when using the 2D reticle.
3. When using the 3D reticle, the M16A4 stays pretty true to the BDC/Stadia lines.
4. When using the 3D reticle, all rifles in the M4 family (barrel lengths shorter than M16A4) fall short of the BDC markings.
     -This becomes painfully apparent at ranges greater than 200m and becomes increasingly difficult beyond 350m to 400m+
     -In other words, to hit a target at 500m, I had to use the 600m stadia line and aim high in the chest to hit center mass.

In the USMC, we use the PVQ-31A for the M16s and the PVQ-31B for M4s. Unless I'm mistaken, the Army's M150 was built for the 14.5" barrels much like the USMC's PVQ-31Bs. My guess is that the RHS team may have intended for the M150 to be used for the M4s and either forgot to fix them up, haven't gotten around to it, or...didn't know and just slapped an "M150" label on the PVQ-31As just for the sake of Army units having an RCO with an Army name on it. Who knows?

To recap: If you use 2D reticles, you'll never know the difference. 3D and PIP reticles however, will notice a retarded drop-off beyond 200m when using either model of RCO with anything shorter than an M16A4.

EDIT: You can change the game's preference under the RHS options in the ESC menu in-game, for those outside "the know" and want to investigate for themselves! Also worth noting is that the ELCAN optics seem to work fine for the M4 family of rifles for whatever reason regardless of 2D/3D settings. *shrugs*
« Last Edit: January 18, 2017, 03:54:31 PM by PV2 G. Jackson »
M. BALDWIN
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C. Wallace

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2017, 03:47:15 PM »
are the arsenal values even accurate? i noticed the other night that the SPCS body armor has a higher "ballistic protection" value than the IOTV we wear, but was told that sometimes those values aren't accurate.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2017, 05:49:29 PM by PV1 Wallace »

K. Knight

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2017, 08:01:08 PM »
So, sent another 2000 or so rounds downrange. I noticed that the Mk262 hits a few inches low, so even if I had the choice between the Mk262 and the Mk318, I'd go for the Mk318.

The Mk318 hits dead-on at 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 meters. At the 6 mark on the scope it lands directly on target at 650 and 700m. Therefore, you will hit at 600m by lining up your target half way between the 500m echelon and the 6.

I use the M150 RCO with the 2D reticle selected in the options menu.

I highly recommend the the superior Mk318 ammunition, assuming it's available.

SGT (Ret) Baldwin

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2017, 08:06:02 PM »
I found your post about the M150 in the RHS report tracker. I added my own little blurb to it. For folks wanting to use the optic in 3D/PiP, the calibration issue is a deal-breaker. After firing a few thousand rounds myself I've confirmed that the PVQ-31A is calibrated for the M16A4 like it should be, and the M150 is also calibrated for an M16, which is obviously wrong. Hopefully they look into fixing it sometime. :P
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K. Knight

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2017, 10:52:05 PM »
I noticed the reticle on the PVQ-31A is slightly shorter in height than the M150 RCO. I didn't spend much time with the PVQ, but that was one thing that was apparent. None of the rounds out of the M4 lined up with that optic. Maybe I'll put it on the M16 for entertainment sake.

SGT (Ret) Baldwin

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2017, 11:57:34 PM »
It's only BETTER on the m16s. Still a bit off in 3D. I'm just gonna wait til rhs 4.2 gets implemented into the mod pack and use the rco/rmr in 2nd and quit fussing over it lol
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SPC (Ret) R. Reynolds

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Re: Ideal M4A1 Ammo Choice
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2017, 03:42:23 PM »
Hello All,
I made a simple scenario to test and trace ammunition trajectories. Barebones setup features an arsenal, quad bike and targets at 100m, 300m and 500m.

You can find it on the steam workshop at: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=853631619

Enjoy
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