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Title: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: 1LT (Ret) Dale on April 28, 2016, 09:54:22 PM
US “concerned” over reports of lost Bradley IFV

28 April 2016 Last updated at 23:47 BST

US officials have expressed concern at reports carried in Russian media on the capture of an advanced Infantry Fighting Vehicle near Ezrikistan’s South-eastern border.

A Pentagon spokesman said the US was worried especially as the advanced fighting vehicle was reported to be "in the hands of a paramilitary force".

This is in reference to independent Russian media reports on Monday stating that a Bradley vehicle was recovered from a hillside in the Kalu Khan Province of Ezrikistan, the operating area of the 101st Airbourne Division (Air Assault). It states the vehicle had suffered minimal damage, and more embarrassingly, had not been sanitised by friendly forces.

(https://i.imgur.com/I1QQTcm.jpg)
Source: Lauren Thompson

The IFV, a model of the Bradley series of vehicles, would be the first such complete loss of sensitive material in the last five years, since a Sentinel drone was lost over the Iran-Afghanistan border.

US Army Captain Daniel Wilson said that the US was concerned about any opportunity for Military equipment to make its way onto the black market.

“I think we’re always concerned when there’s significant material, be it a vehicle, arms or ammo, that could be in danger of being out of our possession. Particularly in this case where the alleged incident has taken place in a locale where retrieving anything is made more difficult due to the close proximity of nation states counter to US aims. To comment on the unverified imagery available in the media, the vehicle appears outwardly intact, but standard practice in this situation is to, at a minimum, destroy sensitive documents and equipment within the vehicle to prevent enemy usage. Therefore there’s nothing significant from this outside of the propaganda use if the reports prove true.”

'Sensitive items were present in the wreck'

Some analysts argue that, like Pakistan did with the UH-60 aircraft famously lost in the raid in 2011, local forces may be able to utilise lessons learnt from the Bradley IFV. One reporter has gone further and says that Russian media claims are accurate, confirming that sensitive items were present in the wreck and were left under fire counter to the Pentagon narrative. Foreign correspondent Lauren Thompson, working for the ICE news agency and embedded with the Eastern Ezrikistan Militia in Kalu Khan, says;

“I’ve been working with the command section of a EEM cell in the last few weeks as a part of my dispatches reporting… after posing for photos (the ones currently making the rounds in the media), the cell commander showed me the technology haul ripped straight from the vehicle while describing the objects to me. Some the items were described to me as being friendly force tracking systems used by modern troops, whilst others that I saw the leader take away looked to be maps, radios and document binders. To my limited knowledge, they all appeared to be genuine and seemed to be of some significant value to the Ezrikistan militia leader. This begs the question- why were they left behind and the vehicle not blown up?”

This incident could prove to be the first combat vehicle lost by US forces since before the drawdown in Chernarus last year, and is the first such report commented on by the Pentagon in recent years without prior confirmation by the Department of Defense in regards to sensitive material loss.

This comes on the heels of other Pentagon press releases in the last few days concerning the Ezrikistan situation.

**This news report is a fictional work to support the 506th ARMA gameplay**
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SFC (Ret) M. Brewer on April 28, 2016, 10:22:14 PM
I know we're all thinking it....

Oh %&#$
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Ochoa on April 28, 2016, 10:28:03 PM
Never thought I would be on the other side of that turret.....
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) Kang on April 28, 2016, 10:41:27 PM
Delta Company,

Go destroy that Bradley.

Thanks XOXOXOXO
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) McAllister on April 28, 2016, 10:46:19 PM
I'm not sure if I'm more worried about them using the Bradley against us as a weapon or if I'm more worried about all of the information they just recovered from the Bradley.  Wondering what nasty surprises this could lead to on the battlefield.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: L. Benson on April 28, 2016, 10:50:13 PM
Hahahaha.....crap.  :-\ Well now we have to be on the look out for a hostile Bradley.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SFC (Ret) M. Brewer on April 28, 2016, 11:57:30 PM
Hahahaha.....crap.  :-\ Well now we have to be on the look out for a hostile Bradley.

Or the enemy with access to our comms, or Blue Force Tracker or intel about our company size, assets and our rules of engagement....
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: 2LT (Ret) Storm on April 29, 2016, 12:44:02 AM
US officials have expressed concern at reports carried in Russian media on the capture of an advanced Infantry Fighting Vehicle near Ezrikistan’s South-eastern border.

What we should be more concerned about is that all this commotion happened within 300 meters of our entrenched position and no one saw the enemy.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Waller on April 29, 2016, 01:00:04 AM
Awesome article LT!
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SGT (Ret) Dennis on April 29, 2016, 01:03:25 AM
*sighs exaggeratedly loud* really......?
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: CPT (Ret) Nagel on April 29, 2016, 01:13:42 AM
Good luck flipping a 30 ton vehicle up a slope.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: TSgt (Ret) Brickus on April 29, 2016, 01:13:49 AM
We must be the deepest sleepers on this planet.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) Beard on April 29, 2016, 02:06:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/3cXGvye.jpg)
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Oakley on April 29, 2016, 05:21:54 AM
well this seems like a pretty big blunder to me :/

what wonder what "sensitive" information they got from the Vic ? only time will tell.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SPC Maines on April 29, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
Best start beefing up gentlemen... This isnt going to be pretty.

Amazing article Dale. A great read for me this morning.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Frye on April 29, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
How did the rebels get the bradley down from the tree we got it stuck in? :-\
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) J. Hart on April 29, 2016, 11:13:49 AM
Or the enemy with access to our comms, or Blue Force Tracker or intel about our company size, assets and our rules of engagement....

This is what scares me. They could plan horrible ambushes and we would have no idea.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Frye on April 29, 2016, 10:50:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3cXGvye.jpg)
You weren't the one who got the damn thing stuck in a tree, or flipped it over a squad of infantry :-[
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Brueske on April 29, 2016, 11:04:49 PM
technically the radios are encrypted, so couldnt we just change the encryption codes for all of our radios? if they have different encryption then they cant listen in on our traffic
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) J. Hart on April 29, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
technically the radios are encrypted, so couldnt we just change the encryption codes for all of our radios? if they have different encryption then they cant listen in on our traffic

They would still probably have access to CTAB though, which is a world of problems in and of itself.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SGT (Ret) Blakeslee on April 30, 2016, 12:31:36 PM
I'm not sure if I'm more worried about them using the Bradley against us as a weapon or if I'm more worried about all of the information they just recovered from the Bradley.  Wondering what nasty surprises this could lead to on the battlefield.

Especially since they apparently have a blue-force tracker.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Harmon on April 30, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
Good read LT Dale.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) Kang on April 30, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
No way in hell they sneaked in behind Spartan 1 to capture that.

1-4 will go out and destroy that with Javelins.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Hopp on April 30, 2016, 09:48:24 PM
2-week moratorium on Bradley's leaving the wire while we hunt this thing down...if they don't know how to turn off the BFT we can track it down and kill it.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Songs on April 30, 2016, 09:59:25 PM
2-week moratorium on Bradley's leaving the wire while we hunt this thing down...if they don't know how to turn off the BFT we can track it down and kill it.

My thoughts exactly.  The Bradley's BFT set up is much like a personal CTAB Device, so it also gives itself its own unique ID.  In the case of the rebel's theft this is a two-edged sword, they will see our structures and movements yes.  But everytime they turn that on we will also see their location.  Which hopefully, they'd only trust that piece of equipment with some of their higher ups. 
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: 1LT (Ret) N. Williams on May 01, 2016, 02:22:01 AM
Brawler needs to try out new drivers apparently...
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: VandeVord on May 01, 2016, 08:16:07 AM
They just need to learn how to destroy their assets properly.


They can carry a few thermite grenades to simulate they slagged sensitive materials and the engine and whatever is vital.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SGT (Ret) T. Cummings on May 01, 2016, 09:23:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CyVWQrx.jpg)
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SFC (Ret) M. Brewer on May 01, 2016, 09:30:46 AM
Brawler needs to try out new drivers apparently...

Don't get too tough on the driver. As a former Bradley driver, those things have some wonky physics on certain types of terrain. If you read the vehicle commander's report, there were some technical issues with being able to control the vehicle.  The vehicle has gotten much better over time I think but crazy stuff happened from time to time.  Some pretty good lol's in this video back when I was with Brawler.  The comment about the CPT in the first part of the video is from one of these incidents happening a week earlier where we almost ran him over...But it shows how unpredictable and "un-immersive" the Bradley could be at times. I'm guessing that something like this happened on that hillside. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7IH-QKmK0c     

As far as the vehicle's destruction goes, in reading the report it looks like there was some miscommunication about exactly when that was to happen.  Just goes to show, now that we're deployed actions and mis-actions by any one of us in the field can have major repercussions for the entire unit.

This does make the story line a lot more interesting tho...
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Rigger on May 01, 2016, 11:15:08 AM
They just need to learn how to destroy their assets properly.


They can carry a few thermite grenades to simulate they slagged sensitive materials and the engine and whatever is vital.

Why destroy the Bradley when it's 300m away from a friendly occupied Airfield and there is a friendly Platoon dug in on the other side of it over looking the valley it was left in?
I'm sure it was left intact with the intention that one of the "supporting assets" at the airfield would secure it.
If anything, a squad should have been detached to secure it until the mostly intact Bradley could be "recovered". But what Task Force leader wants to tell 10 of his guys they have to sit out for the rest of the Operation because ARMA decided that trees could throw Bradleys?
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Whitacre on May 01, 2016, 06:34:50 PM
They just need to learn how to destroy their assets properly.


They can carry a few thermite grenades to simulate they slagged sensitive materials and the engine and whatever is vital.

No.

Let's all take a short moment to read a quote from the actual BFV Commander's patrol report, which has been confirmed as true by the Task Force Commander in charge that evening, so we actually get a better picture of the situation.

The Bradley was abandoned IVO (030,123) after rolling the Bradley, causing the right track to be raised from the ground, and the tree pinned between the turret and body of the Bradley. The Task Force Commander requested the engineers to salvage the Bradley post-operation. The crewmen proceeded on foot, attaching themselves to the dismount team for the rest of the Operation.

Ignoring the obvious irony for the time being, let's look at another couple of glaring circumstances.

Let's first go into the part CPL Rigger pointed out in his post. The vehicle was near enough to a friendly airfield to easily send a patrol to recover information ON FOOT, and be back in time for lunch.

Shall we for the sake of argument also ignore the fact that Spartan 1, again as CPL Rigger, among others have mentioned, was dug in and essentially in over watch on the valley said BFV had rolled in?

I would also like to take a moment to mention that the Task Forces have only been static for a mere 6 hours. A lot can have happened in 6 hours - but a full on recovery effort by a rebel militia force of a 30 ton Infantry Fighting Vehicle, that the full force of the US Army couldn't pull off, even only 300m from the friendly airbase and base of operations? Seems rather improbable to me.

For the sake of argument, I will accept the "loss of sensitive items" from the vehicle including a BFT, and radio equipment.  I am also willing to accept that this should prove in future for Brawler a cautionary tale. Not about the hazards of the terrain, not about vehicle physics we cannot control, and only partly about ensuring the destruction of important and potentially sensitive equipment. But it will also prove a cautionary tale in relying on other assets to do a job the Vehicle Commander was told they would perform while on a combat patrol.

Do not take this as me shirking responsibility. Brawler will own fully the loss of sensitive equipment. But Brawler  will not be crucified by those will little to no actual information about the situation at hand, or those spreading misinformation for what I can only assume is for no other reason that pure malice.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Capt (Ret) Morgan on May 01, 2016, 06:48:20 PM
They just need to learn how to destroy their assets properly.


They can carry a few thermite grenades to simulate they slagged sensitive materials and the engine and whatever is vital.

No.

Let's all take a short moment to read a quote from the actual BFV Commander's patrol report, which has been confirmed as true by the Task Force Commander in charge that evening, so we actually get a better picture of the situation.

The Bradley was abandoned IVO (030,123) after rolling the Bradley, causing the right track to be raised from the ground, and the tree pinned between the turret and body of the Bradley. The Task Force Commander requested the engineers to salvage the Bradley post-operation. The crewmen proceeded on foot, attaching themselves to the dismount team for the rest of the Operation.

Ignoring the obvious irony for the time being, let's look at another couple of glaring circumstances.

Let's first go into the part CPL Rigger pointed out in his post. The vehicle was near enough to a friendly airfield to easily send a patrol to recover information ON FOOT, and be back in time for lunch.

Shall we for the sake of argument also ignore the fact that Spartan 1, again as CPL Rigger, among others have mentioned, was dug in and essentially in over watch on the valley said BFV had rolled in?

I would also like to take a moment to mention that the Task Forces have only been static for a mere 6 hours. A lot can have happened in 6 hours - but a full on recovery effort by a rebel militia force of a 30 ton Infantry Fighting Vehicle, that the full force of the US Army couldn't pull off, even only 300m from the friendly airbase and base of operations? Seems rather improbable to me.

For the sake of argument, I will accept the "loss of sensitive items" from the vehicle including a BFT, and radio equipment.  I am also willing to accept that this should prove in future for Brawler a cautionary tale. Not about the hazards of the terrain, not about vehicle physics we cannot control, and only partly about ensuring the destruction of important and potentially sensitive equipment. But it will also prove a cautionary tale in relying on other assets to do a job the Vehicle Commander was told they would perform while on a combat patrol.

Do not take this as me shirking responsibility. Brawler will own fully the loss of sensitive equipment. But Brawler  will not be crucified by those will little to no actual information about the situation at hand, or those spreading misinformation for what I can only assume is for no other reason that pure malice.

With all due respect.  These articles are made up for the sake of entertaining the unit and giving some more depth to our deployments, nothing that is said here is an attack on anyone or any part of the unit and shouldn't be taken as such.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SGM (Ret) De Leo on May 01, 2016, 06:50:55 PM
May I remind you, gentlemen, that this is a public area. Knock it off.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Whitacre on May 01, 2016, 06:51:06 PM
They just need to learn how to destroy their assets properly.


They can carry a few thermite grenades to simulate they slagged sensitive materials and the engine and whatever is vital.

No.

Let's all take a short moment to read a quote from the actual BFV Commander's patrol report, which has been confirmed as true by the Task Force Commander in charge that evening, so we actually get a better picture of the situation.

The Bradley was abandoned IVO (030,123) after rolling the Bradley, causing the right track to be raised from the ground, and the tree pinned between the turret and body of the Bradley. The Task Force Commander requested the engineers to salvage the Bradley post-operation. The crewmen proceeded on foot, attaching themselves to the dismount team for the rest of the Operation.

Ignoring the obvious irony for the time being, let's look at another couple of glaring circumstances.

Let's first go into the part CPL Rigger pointed out in his post. The vehicle was near enough to a friendly airfield to easily send a patrol to recover information ON FOOT, and be back in time for lunch.

Shall we for the sake of argument also ignore the fact that Spartan 1, again as CPL Rigger, among others have mentioned, was dug in and essentially in over watch on the valley said BFV had rolled in?

I would also like to take a moment to mention that the Task Forces have only been static for a mere 6 hours. A lot can have happened in 6 hours - but a full on recovery effort by a rebel militia force of a 30 ton Infantry Fighting Vehicle, that the full force of the US Army couldn't pull off, even only 300m from the friendly airbase and base of operations? Seems rather improbable to me.

For the sake of argument, I will accept the "loss of sensitive items" from the vehicle including a BFT, and radio equipment.  I am also willing to accept that this should prove in future for Brawler a cautionary tale. Not about the hazards of the terrain, not about vehicle physics we cannot control, and only partly about ensuring the destruction of important and potentially sensitive equipment. But it will also prove a cautionary tale in relying on other assets to do a job the Vehicle Commander was told they would perform while on a combat patrol.

Do not take this as me shirking responsibility. Brawler will own fully the loss of sensitive equipment. But Brawler  will not be crucified by those will little to no actual information about the situation at hand, or those spreading misinformation for what I can only assume is for no other reason that pure malice.

With all due respect.  These articles are made up for the sake of entertaining the unit and giving some more depth to our deployments, nothing that is said here is an attack on anyone or any part of the unit and shouldn't be taken as such.
'

With all due respect - it was not the article itself that warranted the response.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) J. Hart on May 01, 2016, 06:55:09 PM
I am stepping out officially as the S-2 Intelligence Chief to put this whole thing to rest.

Half the battle of a war effort is propaganda. The enemy is trying to drive support away from the United States and further their own goals. They don't need to have actually recovered an asset like this. Circulating rumors throughout the media is more than enough.

Additionally, do not bash on Brawler and the way they conduct operations. Comments made in these threads need to be kept respectful and grown-up in nature.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SPC (Ret) T. Lee on May 01, 2016, 06:56:26 PM
Back in my day the above falls squarely within the pages of the SOP's definition of "F U B A R" ::)

SPC T. Lee
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: M. Woods on May 01, 2016, 07:31:21 PM
War is war boys stuff happens, let's give'em hell boys!!! Air Assualt!!!!
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: S. Black on May 01, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
The enemy photoshop'd this on top of a picture they probably took from the nearby settlement. They added false information about reclaiming our intelligence and equipment to make the 506th look the fool, and brag about having an advantage over us to the local population.

If they'd really taken this from us, they wouldn't brag about it. They'd keep it to themselves and take advantage of it.

Nothing more than propaganda. Funny propaganda I'll add (sorry Brawler), but nothing more.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: Rust on May 01, 2016, 08:12:34 PM
Something tells me that they will have better reaction times and tanks with reactive armor
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SGT Kahrs on May 02, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
We cannot allow the enemy to divide us, it is what they want! There are some things we cannot predict in war, but we are the 506th. We are from the humble beginnings of Currahee and this is the attitude we take into battle. No matter what happens in the field, we have to stand against this enemy.
Title: Re: UBC World News - US "concerned" over reports of lost Bradley IFV
Post by: SSG (Ret) Beard on May 02, 2016, 10:31:16 PM
Shit happens. Adapt and overcome it.